is banned, but Sol Ring See cards from the most recent sets and discover what players just like you are saying about them. Yeah, sorry again :(. has a cost and only generates colorless mana seems to be enough to keep it legal. Sorry, went back a re-read it. My 2 cents on the moxen: Mana Crypt I even understand why people like to play infinite combos, though I disagree with their use. And... you know, the obvious reasons... like to tap at least for (unless it was played using Llanowar Elves/Priest of Titania) Oh, and then there's Priest of Titania/Elvish Archdruid.Have 4+ elves out, use Kamahl, Fist of Krosa as your general, and watch what infinite overrun can do. My table hates when I play either of the two unbanned Eldrazi Titans because it will take resources away from them and are "unfair", but don't hesitate in the slightest to construct decks chalk full of counter spells, board wipes, land destruction, or decks that focus solely on milling out an opponent. He dies to just about each and every removal spell. I also know why people like puzzle piece combos that will win the game when everything is in place, and agree with the use of the tactic - to an extent. It was the most chaotic balls to wall pull your hair out game of magic I ever played. Remember also that Wizards manages Legacy and the RC manages EDH, and those two institutions have very different philosophies. That said, wrapping up and going back to your actual question: yes, Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary can be in your Tiny Leaders deck. isn't free, and it doesn't produce colored mana. It really does depend if the RC wants to separate the banned list into a "banned list" and a "banned as a commander" list, kind of like Tiny leaders. The sheer number of powerful 1- and 2-drop tutors in EDH is staggering. No other card in EDH can really do this by itself. Articles and comments are user-submitted and do not represent official endorsements of this site. This guy could easily warp gameplay, especially with rule 4 out of the question. , Sylvan Primordial gives you more mana overall, but color is extremely important. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't think its that broken.... @canterlotguardian: I suppose I can't blame you if you only play with those cards. At least in 1v1, which is what I'm mostly concerned with, it's more of a mana-denial/1-card-combo kind of deck, that usually needs to resolve only 1 major spell to effectively win the game. The idea of banning any and every card that can be abused is absurd though, so I don't see why some take precedence over others. Because it's a 1-on-1 format, and because there are very few wraths that are legal people are much more incentivized to play spot removal - and because of the card pool, people have access to the best removal spells of all time. Turn three:- Rampaging Baloths- Steel Hellkite- Vigor- Caged Sun- Garruk, Caller of Beasts- Lurking Predators- Mana Reflection- Wurmcoil Engine, Turn four:- Karn Liberated- Ugin, the Spirit Dragon- Terastodon- Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger- Liege of the Tangle, (Not to mention he goes infinite with Staff of Domination, Sword of the Paruns, and Umbral Mantle. Every time the ban issue is brought up, I feel like I get further and further from understanding the criteria for banning a card. allows you to find those lands and set up interactions like Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth so is two colorless mana really that much worse than one colored mana? Will the RC consider even testing him? @canterlotguardian: Again, no offense, but it sounds like you don't even understand what you're arguing. Griselbrand , but it's not like there is a lack of board wipes in this format at all! or Sorin Markov Gatherer is the Magic Card Database. He definitely is overpowered as a general...but that's balanced out by the lack of gamebreaking spells and card draw in mono-green. As has been said, he's already sort of borderline. the reason i don't agree with calling it a banlist is that the format is very loosely structured by design. I just want to be able to use Avacyn, Angel of Hope Plus, it's limited by the number of Forests you have, so unless you're running mono-green, it's not as big of a "threat" as everyone says it is. So things like Necropotence 4 entombs in a 60 card deck is one card in 15. He was banned as a commander. Library of Alexandria I was going to say that those are only two card interactions and that Deadeye Navigator also, for what it's worth, i don't understand why Mox Ruby There are plenty of great and interesting utility lands in EDH, and they often don't get played because they're not consistent enough as 1/99. And yes, I have seen someone use him in a deck (back when he was only banned as a commander) and was dropped second turn and it became a game of let see who can remove the Rofellos. was starting to go down the same road, replacing the ability to tutor any utility land for the terrastodon effect. Because he'd have more of an impact in EDH than he would in Legacy? I can very easily imagine the RC banning any Commanders that are considered Tier 1 today. 2 free colorless mana every turn with no drawback besides having to cast it for 1 is an advantage on par with what a mox gives. again, i feel like i'm arguing semantics, which i normally hate to do. You can T2 her fairly easily and force your opponent to sacrifice land every turn while you sit there with Bitterblossom However, it's not just a "this card doesn't deserve to be banned" argument. , but I wouldn't be surprised if that experiment ended in failure. I cannot see justifying anything that is currently on the EDH ban lis being unbanned. also, i don't know if i agree that 3+ color decks should somewhat reliably have access to urborg+coffers. But with casual the pioneers of EDH made that list with the addendum "do what you will" but those cards would make casual play unfun as a whole. How is that any worse than someone slapping a World Slayer on a cheap, indestructible commander?
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